Exactly. I think it was already official even before I joined iCM.
It was the pdf, but the way the films are mentioned in the book means that there are films which are the actual entries and films like that which are mentioned as references on the list. Personally I think only the actual entries in the book should be in the list, but the list I think has passing entries as well, though possibly not all? It’s such a pain to comb through the pdf, I tried once and got about a quarter of the way through when I decided the formatting was too much for me and I wasn’t sure how accurate the result would be.
It is a pain really. My first thought was to just add the listed films at the end of each section as you mentioned.
The German version makes this distinction even clearer since it is better formatted (still painful but more manageable).
But then I noticed that there are films that Vogel is referencing with images quite a bit without listing them in any section. For example ‘Blow Up’ appears three times (at least that’s what the register says). The first and second time a film still with an extensive caption is featured and the third time it is just a passing sentence about the quality of films religious institutions disapproved of.
The film is however, never included in any of the lists. From the context above I would assume that Vogel would have included the film in his canon. The German reprint also features the exact same film stills with the extensive commentary.
My interim conclusion is to include all films listed at the end of a section but also the films referenced by a film still. These have a caption that is comparable in length to that of many other films.
I started to go through the list as described above referencing both the German and the English version. I had about one third done before I saw Fergenaprido’s comment and called it a day. (Link to ICM list)
I am attaching some images to illustrate the Blow Up example.
So, I went through with the list like suggested and only added films that are listed in the “Films” section. In total we have just under 400 films so about 200 films less than before. Please check it out here.
There are some curiosities: The German version lists films that are not in my English PDF. These seem to be films released between 1974 and 1976. Hard to tell since that PDF does not seem to be reliable. The German version was published in 1997 and features a new introduction from Amos Vogel from that year. Vogel specifically points out some “recent” films he recommends (from the 90s), but in the lists there is no film listed after 1976. I decided to stay with the films listed for now.
I also noticed that my English PDF has a different order compared to the German book. To make future comparisons easier, I will list here the sections and the films in it.
I will also attach a picture that shows all the films on this version not included on the official current ICM version.
There are still 12 films missing. I posted a comment on the list with Info I could find. I don’t think any of them have an IMDb page.
Legend: Range on the ICM list // first film // last film
- Introduction // 1 – 18 // Blue Moses // Why Not
PART I – SUBVERSION OF FORM
UdSSR // 19 – 22 // Strike // Man with a Movie Camera
Expressionism // 23 – 33 // The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari // The Reality of Karel Appel
Surrealism // 34 – 47 // Aos // The Lead Shoes
Dada and Pop-Art // 48 – 58 // Anemic Cinema // Sort of a Commercial for an Icebag
Destruction of Time and Space // 59 – 70 // Aktion 540 // Smoking
Destruction of Plot and Narration // 71 – 82 // Akran // Celine and Julie Go Boating
Attacking Montage // 83 – 89 // Before the Revolution // Wavelength
The Camera is moving // 90 – 93 // The Last Laugh // Variety
Minimal Cinema // 94 – 102 // Color Film // Sleep
Boundaries of Film // 103 – 119 // Bells of Atlantis // Pasadena Freeway Stills (Missing! –Film before: Line Describing a Cone)
PART II – SUBVERSION OF CONTENT
Revolutionary Cinemas // 120 – 161 // Havoc // More Nuclear Stations (Missing! – Film before: The California Reich)
Eastern Subversions // 162 – 195 // Love Affair // Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors
The Third World // 196 – 214 // A Very Crazy Asylum // Reed: Insurgent Mexico
DDR: Against the West // 215 – 218 // Holiday on Sylt // The Laughing Man
Fascist Cinema // 219 – 221 // Triumph of the Will // The Eternal Jew
Secrets and Revelations // 222 – 246 // Beauty Knows No Pain // La Soufrière
PART III – FORBIDDEN THEMES
Nudity // 247 – 250 // The Bed // No. 4
Erotic and pornographic film // 251 – 271 // Beaver-Films // What Goes on at Sex Therapy Clinics (Missing! – Film before: Take me)
The End of Sexual Tabus // 272 – 301 // The Horrible Dr. Hichcock // The Exorcist
The First Secret: Birth // 302 – 306 // All My Babies // Window Water Baby Moving
The last Secret: Death
- Death // 307 – 329 // The Act of Seeing with One’s Own Eyes // The War Game
- Concentration Camps // 330 - 340 // Archaeology // Warsaw Ghetto
Blasphemy // 341 – 356 // L’Age d’Or // Viridiana
Trance and Witchcraft // 357 – 369 // The Andromeda Strain // Tarantula
PART IV – FOR A NEW CONCIOUSNESS
- Counter Culture and Avantgarde // 370-385 // Apotheosis // Jonah Who Will Be 25 in the Year 2000!
Thanks Joschi. I appreciate the hard work you’re putting in to this. I haven’t gone through your lists yet, but I’ll use them as reference for when I go through the pdf later this week.
I am willing to help with this as well. I have got the 1979 German edition of the book.
Which are the 12 films that are lacking an imdb entry?
If you want to cross-check, I already entered all the films into a list on ICM (See above).
On the ICM list I also listed the films that are missing. If I could find some Infos online, I added them via link.
Prune Flat (Robert Whitman, USA, 1965) after Le sang d’un poète p. 97
Pasadena Freeway Stills (Gary Beydler, USA 1976) after Line Describin a Cone p. 137
Delaware (Newsreel, USA 1968/1969) after Deadline for Action p. 143
Lovejoy’s Nuclear War (Dan Keller, USA 1976) after Troublemakers p. 159
More Nuclear Stations (Per Mannstaedt, Denmark, 1976) after The California Reich p. 159
Strahov (Anonymous, Cz, 1967) after Per Aspera Ad Astra p. 170
Acupunctural Anaesthesia (Peking TV, China, 1971) after Beauty Knows No Pain p. 205
Beaver Films (USA, 1970…) after No.4 p. 248
What Goes On At Sex Therapy Clinics (Community Medical Cable Casting, USA, 1972) after Take Me p. 264
Posledni veci cloveka (Jovan Kubicek, Cz, 1967) after Ikiteite yokatta p. 306
The Race (William Copland, Australia, 1970) after Winter Soldier p. 310
Les Camps de la Mort (France, 1947) after Mesto darované p. 313
Oh, ok, so you did it all already. Great work, I much prefer your lists, especially because they are ordered according to the sections of the book, not alphabetically.
Thanks - I appreciate it! The PDF I found of the American version is all over the place, so I hope the sections will make cross-referencing easier.
If you don’t mind looking, I would be interested if the 1979 version also lists the films released between 1973 and 1979 as these entries don’t seem to be in the original American version from 1974. (For example ‘Salo’ or ‘F for Fake’)
Thanks and best regards!
Just want to say I appreciate you two doing this, I’m seeing if I can get the US paper copy to verify things, though with COVID I don’t know when I’ll be able to do so. Verifying a list is easier than creating one so your work will definitely be very helpful.
Maybe you forgot to check or you weren’t able to verify the sources, or I’m wrong (than I’m curious which source you used), but nothing has changed in this - in my opinion - wrong listing of the Shiva-titled entries…
This source: https://www.brattlefilm.org/brattle/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Story_of_Film-Notes.pdf
Lists the film as 2006.
I’ve checked the film and can confirm:
It’s possible that the film mislabels the film, but having not seen either I couldn’t say.
Thanks, I’ll check and post my sources. Keep you updated
Yeah I think the documentary The Story of Film mislabels the film. I checked my dutch copy this evening and it is as your screen cap. Strangely the book by Mark Cousins doesn’t mention the film at all…
Check the Telugu movie from 1989 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRVHoabpSoI
The scene is at 1:55:15
Confusingly the info at YouTube states this is the 1990 version (with the same title from the same director) but this film is the 1989 version in Telugu remade in Hindi at 1990 (which clearly had a longer running time and is currently showing on MUBI)
Wikipedia (for what’s it worth) states the documentary uses the 1989 version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Film:_An_Odyssey (episode 5)
So does this link: http://files.thelenches.org.uk/uploads/1/3/1/3/131380868/1565515.pdf